Monday Mormon – God, Mary and the ‘S’ Word
Another Monday Mormon and a look at the next of our 21 Question This time its just one question but one that addresses the most basic human instinct. But is it also a basic Divine instinct? Mormonism historically has said unequivocally, Yes! As before, we will look at the questions (Q) and answers (A) with comments (C) and quotes (Qu.)
Q: Does the Mormon Church believe that God and Mary had physical sex to conceive Jesus?
A: The Church does not claim to know how Jesus was conceived but believes the Bible and Book of Mormon references to Jesus being born of the Virgin Mary.
Qu: “The Only Begotten of the Father (Moses 5:9). These name titles all signify that our Lord is the Only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally...Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546/7, c.f. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p.81 where he writes of “celestial Sireship” and “the ordinary operation of the fundamental law of heredity”).
C: Jesus was naturally conceived and not supernaturally, and is just “the only begotten of God in the flesh”. In the spirit we are all sons of God.
Qu: “Jesus Christ is not the Father of the spirits who have taken or yet shall take bodies upon this earth, for he is one of them. He is the Son, as they are the sons and daughters of Elohim.” (Joseph F Smith, Gospel Doctrine, p. 69).
Although in this answer they claim to believe the Bible account, they avoid Mt.1:20. The answer they give here is simply dishonest and misleading since, in Mormonism, we are all spirit children of God and Jesus is marked out only by the facts that he is 1) the firstborn spirit child (our elder brother) and 2) the only one of God’s children who is literally the Son of God in the flesh. This is a well attested Mormon teaching, they know it, and to deny that knowledge is a lie.
Let me make this clear. In Mormon thinking all men and women were born to and lived with God in a premortal existence and Jesus is the eldest of that vast family. The only thing that otherwise makes Jesus different is that, while everyone else was born into this world as a result of mummy and daddy having sex, Jesus’ mummy was Mary and his daddy was God; otherwise the operation was no different.
McConkie and Talmage are giants of Mormonism in theological terms and their books formative in Mormon thinking. Note McConkie’s words, “Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers”. Note Talmage’s reference to “celestial Sireship” and “the ordinary operation of the fundamental law of heredity”. This is what Mormons believe by the term “only begotten”, i.e. only begotten in the flesh but first begotten in the spirit.
If you have ever wondered about the meaning of the term “mealy-mouthed” here you have a classic example. It is being, “hypocritically unwilling to speak plainly or directly for fear of incurring odium.” As as been observed before, this effectively means that the Mormon god had sex with his own spirit daughter in order that she should give birth to her own brother.
In summary, the Mormon god is a man with a physical body. He has a wife (or rather wives) with a physical body. Mormon men expect that one day they will be gods with physical bodies with wives who have physical bodies. These wives have children by an exalted man, which children come to an earth in order to progress to become gods and continue the process. One of those children will become the victim of some sort of celestial incest and give birth to her elder brother. You can sugar the pill as you wish but it makes no difference; this is Mormonism, it is not biblical Christianity.
Q: Does the Mormon Church believe that God and Mary had physical sex to conceive Jesus?
A: The Church does not claim to know how Jesus was conceived but believes the Bible and Book of Mormon references to Jesus being born of the Virgin Mary.
Qu: “The Only Begotten of the Father (Moses 5:9). These name titles all signify that our Lord is the Only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally...Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546/7, c.f. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p.81 where he writes of “celestial Sireship” and “the ordinary operation of the fundamental law of heredity”).
C: Jesus was naturally conceived and not supernaturally, and is just “the only begotten of God in the flesh”. In the spirit we are all sons of God.
Qu: “Jesus Christ is not the Father of the spirits who have taken or yet shall take bodies upon this earth, for he is one of them. He is the Son, as they are the sons and daughters of Elohim.” (Joseph F Smith, Gospel Doctrine, p. 69).
Although in this answer they claim to believe the Bible account, they avoid Mt.1:20. The answer they give here is simply dishonest and misleading since, in Mormonism, we are all spirit children of God and Jesus is marked out only by the facts that he is 1) the firstborn spirit child (our elder brother) and 2) the only one of God’s children who is literally the Son of God in the flesh. This is a well attested Mormon teaching, they know it, and to deny that knowledge is a lie.
Let me make this clear. In Mormon thinking all men and women were born to and lived with God in a premortal existence and Jesus is the eldest of that vast family. The only thing that otherwise makes Jesus different is that, while everyone else was born into this world as a result of mummy and daddy having sex, Jesus’ mummy was Mary and his daddy was God; otherwise the operation was no different.
McConkie and Talmage are giants of Mormonism in theological terms and their books formative in Mormon thinking. Note McConkie’s words, “Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers”. Note Talmage’s reference to “celestial Sireship” and “the ordinary operation of the fundamental law of heredity”. This is what Mormons believe by the term “only begotten”, i.e. only begotten in the flesh but first begotten in the spirit.
If you have ever wondered about the meaning of the term “mealy-mouthed” here you have a classic example. It is being, “hypocritically unwilling to speak plainly or directly for fear of incurring odium.” As as been observed before, this effectively means that the Mormon god had sex with his own spirit daughter in order that she should give birth to her own brother.
In summary, the Mormon god is a man with a physical body. He has a wife (or rather wives) with a physical body. Mormon men expect that one day they will be gods with physical bodies with wives who have physical bodies. These wives have children by an exalted man, which children come to an earth in order to progress to become gods and continue the process. One of those children will become the victim of some sort of celestial incest and give birth to her elder brother. You can sugar the pill as you wish but it makes no difference; this is Mormonism, it is not biblical Christianity.
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