tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post8395048536478461729..comments2022-03-30T02:54:53.885+01:00Comments on The Mormon Chapbook: Famous Dead Mormons: Karen CarpenterMike Teahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-27424359398695551502015-12-14T20:24:42.091+00:002015-12-14T20:24:42.091+00:00It is offensive because it is done after someone i...It is offensive because it is done after someone is gone, against their will and for the gratification of those doing it almost against the one being baptized will. They are dead, how can they rebut. Especially in the case of an excommunicated member of the church. If the church didn't want them in life and except them then, they should feel a right to have them in what they deem eternal lifeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11497172809118470196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-52618641326252804272015-03-28T13:36:01.427+00:002015-03-28T13:36:01.427+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05595574582055856368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-90613567931480080572015-03-28T13:35:39.080+00:002015-03-28T13:35:39.080+00:00There are many scriptures in the Bible that can be...There are many scriptures in the Bible that can be debated like Hebrews 11:37-40 , Malachi 4:5-6, 1 Peter 4:6, 3:18-19, Obadiah 21,Isaiah ch 29 ect. And though we may not agree on everything l know there is much we can learn from people who look at things differently. I'm not a Buddhist but meditation is something we all could use.I'm not a Catholic but Mother Theresa who led a life of Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05595574582055856368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-48910248388931773072014-05-24T10:48:08.583+01:002014-05-24T10:48:08.583+01:00Jennifer,
Thank you for your comment and especial...Jennifer,<br /><br />Thank you for your comment and especially for putting your name to it. I suppose it depends on how you look at it. What Mormons have continued to do in being baptised for the dead has proved not only controversial but deeply offensive to people. I think the rest of the article shows this and justifies the strong response I give.<br /><br />I hear often enough the "why Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-69989276398165137072014-05-24T05:08:03.846+01:002014-05-24T05:08:03.846+01:00I have to say your testimony confused me, in it yo...I have to say your testimony confused me, in it you seem to genuinely stay away from saying hurtful things about the church. Yet it seems in this post you changed your tune and call the Mormon temple goers "wacko necromaniacs". I myself was LDS being born into the church. I have since grown up and chosen to find my own spiritual path. Though, I have respect enough for the church to not Jennifernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-82279826343820433282013-09-30T12:35:22.254+01:002013-09-30T12:35:22.254+01:00Dear Anonymous, I am always puzzled by people with...Dear Anonymous, I am always puzzled by people with strong views who, nevertheless, are not prepared to put their name to those views.<br /><br />If you had read the post properly you would have understood that I was not saying Karen Carpenter was a Mormon. Rather, I was pointing out that, because of the strange Mormon teaching on which I was commenting, she had been "baptised" Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-55091046671519046332013-09-11T21:00:44.699+01:002013-09-11T21:00:44.699+01:00So sorry to let the air out of your cult balloon b...So sorry to let the air out of your cult balloon but Karen WAS NOT a mormon. Karen was a devoted Protestant/ Methodist. So yeah, she was a Christian who believed in the fact that Jesus IS God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-24941438973126743102011-05-11T00:13:07.671+01:002011-05-11T00:13:07.671+01:00Well now, that depends on your idea of "churc...Well now, that depends on your idea of "church." The Christian Church is comprised of the whole company of saints, living and dead, both on earth and in heaven. Your view of the church seems by comparison singularly parochial.<br /><br />I understand, and have always understood, that in Mormon thinking the dead are not forced vicariously into the Mormon - heaven? Why do Mormons always Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-43817266667766931982011-05-10T20:32:44.137+01:002011-05-10T20:32:44.137+01:00The "Mormon Church" only exists on this ...The "Mormon Church" only exists on this earth. The dead are not baptized into the "Mormon Church". They are simply baptized vicariously and the dead can accept the ordinance or reject it. But whether they accept or reject the baptism, they are not considered memers of the "Mormon Church".Squidmanhttp://saginawcriminallaw.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-2016871605333970202011-04-17T22:30:18.407+01:002011-04-17T22:30:18.407+01:00Clearly, this matters to a lot of people. To Mormo...Clearly, this matters to a lot of people. To Mormons who go to ridiculous lengths devoting themselves, "to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith." To Christians who care about correct doctrine and praxis and for the souls of those who chase after such things.<br /><br />If there is no God then one way is as Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-48007688288473194462011-04-17T00:51:33.251+01:002011-04-17T00:51:33.251+01:00As all this is in the mind, why worry? If Mormons...As all this is in the mind, why worry? If Mormons believe they save you by baptising you - but you don't, it's just a case of differing opinions. There's no proof that it gets you into some Heaven, there's no proof it don't. If you have your own religion, someone else's is irrelevant, whether they baptise you or not.<br />It is ALL in the mind. Get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-83128179114423957922010-12-27T13:00:34.391+00:002010-12-27T13:00:34.391+00:00Don't I know it! I've met enough Mormons/J...Don't I know it! I've met enough Mormons/J.W's/<br />Muslims/Atheists etc, to know this.hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-63955380812246026152010-12-27T12:56:22.336+00:002010-12-27T12:56:22.336+00:00I should have picked up on that Hugh. I apologise....I should have picked up on that Hugh. I apologise. The quote from Orson Pratt is very familiar and Mormons will trot it out as though to say "we are not afraid of criticism, bring it on" and to give the impression that no credible criticism has been forthcoming so far.<br /><br />The evidence against Mormonism is a vast mountain and it can be irritating when a Mormon climbs to the very Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-16642022404355782412010-12-27T12:06:41.874+00:002010-12-27T12:06:41.874+00:00Sorry Mike, I've been so busy I haven't ha...Sorry Mike, I've been so busy I haven't had time to read it. I'm not a Mormon, I put the quote up for Mormons.hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-92064823327695923182010-12-26T22:29:15.165+00:002010-12-26T22:29:15.165+00:00Hugh, Did you read my testimony? You asked me abou...Hugh, Did you read my testimony? You asked me about my Mormon history and I directed you to my testimony; surely you have something to say?<br /><br />As to the errors of Mormonism and Orson Pratt's well-worn because over-used quote, it is an empty challenge. I can demonstrate the errors of Mormonism, have done as much, and continue to do so. As to whether I can convince you depends surely asMike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-31424623887111144902010-12-26T21:08:00.182+00:002010-12-26T21:08:00.182+00:00"Convince us of our errors of Doctrine, if we..."Convince us of our errors of Doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the Word of God and we will ever be grateful for the information and you will ever have the pleasing reflections that you have been instruments in the hands of God of redeeming your fellow beings."<br /><br />The Seer (p.15)<br />Orson Pratthugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-51739891063573197842010-12-26T20:56:56.499+00:002010-12-26T20:56:56.499+00:00Well, Greg, you know what Oscar Wilde said; "...Well, Greg, you know what Oscar Wilde said; "The only the worse than being talked about is not being talked about."<br /><br />I am glad you feel so generous as to allow me the privilege of believing as I see fit. By that same token I proffer you the same privilege, indeed I note you already use it. Just as I use my freedoms to question the Mormon Church so the Mormon Church attacks my Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-20845609102360568772010-12-25T06:55:46.161+00:002010-12-25T06:55:46.161+00:00I find it facinating that when Mormons leave the M...I find it facinating that when Mormons leave the Mormon church, they can't leave it alone. Why make it such a focus of your life to badmouth the beliefs of others? The Bible was written by prophets, and we believe in ongoing revelation by a living prophet. If you don't, that is your privilege.Gregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-73140693452280220402010-11-27T21:04:15.246+00:002010-11-27T21:04:15.246+00:00Thanks for asking Hugh. I published my testimony o...Thanks for asking Hugh. I published my testimony on the blog a while back. You can read it <a href="http://mormonchapbook.blogspot.com/2010/02/why-i-left-mormon-church.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-49778160113775910132010-11-27T13:03:15.978+00:002010-11-27T13:03:15.978+00:00May I ask, why did you become a Mormon? How long f...May I ask, why did you become a Mormon? How long for? What began to trouble you about Mormonism? Why did you leave?hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-78233356352752961242010-11-26T22:36:20.150+00:002010-11-26T22:36:20.150+00:00Thanks Hugh. I am sure you are familiar with the a...Thanks Hugh. I am sure you are familiar with the adage that we should never build a doctrine on a single text. Yet this is what Mormons do here. They don't even consider that Paul is not teaching or advocating the practice and it is never mentioned anywhere else, let alone taught. A classic example of not allowing the Bible to speak for itself. As a former Mormon I am always thrilled to find Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-54484675273310816822010-11-26T20:25:40.156+00:002010-11-26T20:25:40.156+00:00I agree with your understanding of the text, and y...I agree with your understanding of the text, and yes, I'm familiar with baptism and resurrection, I'm a believer in the biblical Lord Jesus.hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-21198940279649273972010-11-26T20:09:46.461+00:002010-11-26T20:09:46.461+00:00The Jewish community object to holocaust victims b...The Jewish community object to holocaust victims being vicariously "baptised" into the Mormon Church. These objections are dealt with at the highest levels, i.e. leading Jews and Mormons discuss the issue and an accord is reached wherein the Mormon leaders promise to respect the sensibilities of the Jewish people. But then more temple work is done on behalf of holocaust victims and Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-45022882216811483472010-11-26T19:32:11.267+00:002010-11-26T19:32:11.267+00:00You kinda lost me on the last paragraph. Please ex...You kinda lost me on the last paragraph. Please explain.<br />How do you understand the meaning of "baptising for the dead?" 1Cor.15?hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-62896402403076068042010-11-26T15:45:07.628+00:002010-11-26T15:45:07.628+00:00Mormons are meant do do it for family members who ...Mormons are meant do do it for family members who have died. They produce what they call a four-generation programme, which is research of your family genealogy going back that many generations. They believe they are saving their dead, or at least doing "essential work" for them that they can accept or reject in the afterlife.<br /><br />Inevitably the system is abused and people submitMike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.com