tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post7355029506917237418..comments2022-03-30T02:54:53.885+01:00Comments on The Mormon Chapbook: Mormon Temple MarriageMike Teahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-53081720011712427442011-06-27T23:35:24.382+01:002011-06-27T23:35:24.382+01:00Carol, I now see what you mean. It was Ralph Waldo...Carol, I now see what you mean. It was Ralph Waldo Emerson who said, "What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say."<br /><br />My post illustrates that you may assert all you want that agency is the "Prime Directive" but everything the Mormon Church does speaks so loud - well you get my meaning. The truth is "take it or leave it" is not a true facilityMike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-9932075835075132782011-06-26T18:23:43.124+01:002011-06-26T18:23:43.124+01:00Well, basically, the "lecture" I provide...Well, basically, the "lecture" I provided on the pre-existence and agency was relevant because the conclusion of your article was this: "It is about control, power and control, and nothing is so important to the Mormon Church as that level of control in members' lives that allows it to dictate their lives in every respect." <br /><br />This is basically your fundamental Carolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-67842923825783749402011-06-24T15:38:44.402+01:002011-06-24T15:38:44.402+01:00Carol, I am struck by how many Mormons quote Star ...Carol, I am struck by how many Mormons quote Star Trek when discussing their faith. I wonder what it says about the Mormon, or perhaps the American worldview. I am at a loss to understand why the lecture on pre-existence and agency. What bearing does it have on the subject?<br /><br />As to whether I understand the subject well I understand enough to know that there were not two plans in the Mike Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505904110015305223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930865742356228543.post-77628611589245714942011-06-23T10:51:05.550+01:002011-06-23T10:51:05.550+01:00I really think you profoundly misunderstand a few ...I really think you profoundly misunderstand a few things. LDS theology is built upon the pillar of agency. Agency is the Prime Directive of the whole Plan, so to speak. It is the opposite of control.<br /><br />In the pre-existence Lucifer wanted to destroy agency and force all mankind to do his will -- and the promise was that as a result of this coercion we would all be saved. This plan was Carolnoreply@blogger.com